Comments on: The bully children have taken over at RealClimate.org! http://globalwarming-factorfiction.com/2008/05/09/the-bully-children-have-taken-over-at-realclimateorg/ Dedicated to the balanced discussion of global warming Mon, 01 Mar 2010 15:29:05 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Is It Getting Warmer? » RealClimate comment spiking http://globalwarming-factorfiction.com/2008/05/09/the-bully-children-have-taken-over-at-realclimateorg/comment-page-1/#comment-42664 Is It Getting Warmer? » RealClimate comment spiking Mon, 05 Oct 2009 18:52:01 +0000 http://globalwarming-factorfiction.com/2008/05/09/the-bully-children-have-taken-over-at-realclimateorg/#comment-42664 [...] in the past (Gavin said they deleted comments on comment 168 of a discussion a year ago) and I have complained that RealClimate does not always act in manner that is fitting with their profession, their [...] [...] in the past (Gavin said they deleted comments on comment 168 of a discussion a year ago) and I have complained that RealClimate does not always act in manner that is fitting with their profession, their [...]

]]> By: Is It Getting Warmer? » Is RealClimate becoming balanced? http://globalwarming-factorfiction.com/2008/05/09/the-bully-children-have-taken-over-at-realclimateorg/comment-page-1/#comment-14045 Is It Getting Warmer? » Is RealClimate becoming balanced? Sun, 04 Jan 2009 15:45:07 +0000 http://globalwarming-factorfiction.com/2008/05/09/the-bully-children-have-taken-over-at-realclimateorg/#comment-14045 [...] with these guys because they have so much scientific minutiae at their fingertips.  However, I have been moderately critical of them at times when they allow their zealousness for global warming to cloud their common [...] [...] with these guys because they have so much scientific minutiae at their fingertips.  However, I have been moderately critical of them at times when they allow their zealousness for global warming to cloud their common [...]

]]> By: Is It Getting Warmer? » The Global Warming Challenge http://globalwarming-factorfiction.com/2008/05/09/the-bully-children-have-taken-over-at-realclimateorg/comment-page-1/#comment-4780 Is It Getting Warmer? » The Global Warming Challenge Mon, 12 May 2008 19:46:27 +0000 http://globalwarming-factorfiction.com/2008/05/09/the-bully-children-have-taken-over-at-realclimateorg/#comment-4780 [...] may be aware of the current personal campaign that I am engaged with regarding what I consider to be improper behavior a.... The authors of that site decided to bet the authors of a scientific paper. I do not feel that is [...] [...] may be aware of the current personal campaign that I am engaged with regarding what I consider to be improper behavior a…. The authors of that site decided to bet the authors of a scientific paper. I do not feel that is [...]

]]> By: Nick http://globalwarming-factorfiction.com/2008/05/09/the-bully-children-have-taken-over-at-realclimateorg/comment-page-1/#comment-4778 Nick Mon, 12 May 2008 15:22:48 +0000 http://globalwarming-factorfiction.com/2008/05/09/the-bully-children-have-taken-over-at-realclimateorg/#comment-4778 Likewise. I offered them a bet. Every month that temperatures were above IPCC prediction, I pay them X. Every month it is below, they pay me. Clearly a fair 50-50 bet. That fell into their "tirade and misrepresentation" bucket. If they can't allow straightforward comments and critiques of their 'science', they've clearly lost the argument. Nick Likewise. I offered them a bet. Every month that temperatures were above IPCC prediction, I pay them X. Every month it is below, they pay me.

Clearly a fair 50-50 bet.

That fell into their “tirade and misrepresentation” bucket.

If they can’t allow straightforward comments and critiques of their ’science’, they’ve clearly lost the argument.

Nick

]]> By: admin http://globalwarming-factorfiction.com/2008/05/09/the-bully-children-have-taken-over-at-realclimateorg/comment-page-1/#comment-4777 admin Mon, 12 May 2008 12:53:01 +0000 http://globalwarming-factorfiction.com/2008/05/09/the-bully-children-have-taken-over-at-realclimateorg/#comment-4777 The folks over at RealClimate.org are now admitting that they have not posted some of my comments about not doing this as a gentleman's bet. Gavin replied to a question about the editing in comment 168. Just so my readers are clear, all of my comments on that site were respectful of them and allowed that making a gentleman's bet (small amount of money or some regional item). I even pointed out that recent mayor bet between New York and Boston for the Super Bowl (Clam Chowder) was a good example. I also posted a response to comment 72 that someone must have posted on another site to get so many people to comment. I admitted in a comment that was never published that I had done that on this site. Yes, I was critical of the various writers of RealClimate but they evidently would not have that criticism voiced on their pages. I have no idea if their editors blocked other critics. Since I am concerned that my last comment will also get blocked, I am reproducing it here: "Re. 168. Gentlemen, I do not think that my comments on your site fall into the “tirade and misrepresentation” bucket. If you think that I am putting up a misrepresentation then publish it and poke holes in my logic. I wasn’t doing a tirade because I was simply responding to other comments that were left. I see no reason for you to hold back my comments. Do you really mean to be so Orwellian? I begin to wonder how many other comments get edited out because they are critical of your logic." The folks over at RealClimate.org are now admitting that they have not posted some of my comments about not doing this as a gentleman’s bet. Gavin replied to a question about the editing in comment 168.

Just so my readers are clear, all of my comments on that site were respectful of them and allowed that making a gentleman’s bet (small amount of money or some regional item). I even pointed out that recent mayor bet between New York and Boston for the Super Bowl (Clam Chowder) was a good example.

I also posted a response to comment 72 that someone must have posted on another site to get so many people to comment. I admitted in a comment that was never published that I had done that on this site.

Yes, I was critical of the various writers of RealClimate but they evidently would not have that criticism voiced on their pages. I have no idea if their editors blocked other critics.

Since I am concerned that my last comment will also get blocked, I am reproducing it here:
“Re. 168. Gentlemen, I do not think that my comments on your site fall into the “tirade and misrepresentation” bucket. If you think that I am putting up a misrepresentation then publish it and poke holes in my logic. I wasn’t doing a tirade because I was simply responding to other comments that were left. I see no reason for you to hold back my comments. Do you really mean to be so Orwellian? I begin to wonder how many other comments get edited out because they are critical of your logic.”

]]> By: Nick http://globalwarming-factorfiction.com/2008/05/09/the-bully-children-have-taken-over-at-realclimateorg/comment-page-1/#comment-4772 Nick Sun, 11 May 2008 21:32:29 +0000 http://globalwarming-factorfiction.com/2008/05/09/the-bully-children-have-taken-over-at-realclimateorg/#comment-4772 I've a strong suspicion they black list email address. Nick I’ve a strong suspicion they black list email address.

Nick

]]> By: admin http://globalwarming-factorfiction.com/2008/05/09/the-bully-children-have-taken-over-at-realclimateorg/comment-page-1/#comment-4770 admin Sun, 11 May 2008 19:05:41 +0000 http://globalwarming-factorfiction.com/2008/05/09/the-bully-children-have-taken-over-at-realclimateorg/#comment-4770 Update on this discussion for everyone. Evidently, I am being blacklisted at RealClimate now as my comments in their discussion are not being added to the mix. I don't know how many others are making comments there (I can tell there are some) but it is frustrating that my comments are being edited out of the stream. Obviously this is a good way to control the conversation. Update on this discussion for everyone.

Evidently, I am being blacklisted at RealClimate now as my comments in their discussion are not being added to the mix. I don’t know how many others are making comments there (I can tell there are some) but it is frustrating that my comments are being edited out of the stream. Obviously this is a good way to control the conversation.

]]> By: tim maguire http://globalwarming-factorfiction.com/2008/05/09/the-bully-children-have-taken-over-at-realclimateorg/comment-page-1/#comment-4756 tim maguire Fri, 09 May 2008 19:04:22 +0000 http://globalwarming-factorfiction.com/2008/05/09/the-bully-children-have-taken-over-at-realclimateorg/#comment-4756 Good post. Time is the only thing that will validate or invalidate the claims of the Nature writers. The bet does not change that and the author's acceptance or rejection of th ebet is irrelevant to the truth value of the aritcle. This bet is indicative of the cheerleading attitude that prevails on that site. However more qualified as scientists they might be than me, I rarely visit the site for enlightenment because they are clearly rooting for a team and not simply trying to make the best sense of confusing facts. Good post. Time is the only thing that will validate or invalidate the claims of the Nature writers. The bet does not change that and the author’s acceptance or rejection of th ebet is irrelevant to the truth value of the aritcle.

This bet is indicative of the cheerleading attitude that prevails on that site. However more qualified as scientists they might be than me, I rarely visit the site for enlightenment because they are clearly rooting for a team and not simply trying to make the best sense of confusing facts.

]]> By: Varmus Frank http://globalwarming-factorfiction.com/2008/05/09/the-bully-children-have-taken-over-at-realclimateorg/comment-page-1/#comment-4751 Varmus Frank Fri, 09 May 2008 07:57:26 +0000 http://globalwarming-factorfiction.com/2008/05/09/the-bully-children-have-taken-over-at-realclimateorg/#comment-4751 Very nice diary. Before I read it I had thought the RealClimate bet a good way of showing that the German science team didn't really trust in it's own results. You've made excellent points here. Regardless of whether the science team has made a legitimate prediction here, they shouldn't be expected to put down money to back it up. Let the peer review take its course. Very nice diary. Before I read it I had thought the RealClimate bet a good way of showing that the German science team didn’t really trust in it’s own results. You’ve made excellent points here. Regardless of whether the science team has made a legitimate prediction here, they shouldn’t be expected to put down money to back it up. Let the peer review take its course.

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