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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://globalwarming-factorfiction.com/2007/06/02/they-call-this-a-consensus/comment-page-1/#comment-907</link>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 12:22:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Haley - I think you have nailed the issue. If the climate is changing and the cause is natural then it is almost preposterous to believe that we can (or should) change it. Based on the research that I have cited on this site, that is not a foregone conclusion but we just don&#039;t know since we don&#039;t understand our climate well enough. 

If the climate is changing due to human causes then we need to effectively value its cost of changing and make an intelligent decision as to which is worse - the cause or the cure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haley &#8211; I think you have nailed the issue. If the climate is changing and the cause is natural then it is almost preposterous to believe that we can (or should) change it. Based on the research that I have cited on this site, that is not a foregone conclusion but we just don&#8217;t know since we don&#8217;t understand our climate well enough. </p>
<p>If the climate is changing due to human causes then we need to effectively value its cost of changing and make an intelligent decision as to which is worse &#8211; the cause or the cure.</p>
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		<title>By: Haley Carter Jr.</title>
		<link>http://globalwarming-factorfiction.com/2007/06/02/they-call-this-a-consensus/comment-page-1/#comment-891</link>
		<dc:creator>Haley Carter Jr.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 09:38:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is the climate warming, no matter what the cause? If yes, what can be done to stop it, or at least slow it down? If we can only slow it down, what can we do to adapt to a warm climate? If you think it&#039;s not warming, how much are you willing to risk on being right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is the climate warming, no matter what the cause? If yes, what can be done to stop it, or at least slow it down? If we can only slow it down, what can we do to adapt to a warm climate? If you think it&#8217;s not warming, how much are you willing to risk on being right?</p>
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		<title>By: muckdog</title>
		<link>http://globalwarming-factorfiction.com/2007/06/02/they-call-this-a-consensus/comment-page-1/#comment-170</link>
		<dc:creator>muckdog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2007 03:28:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The IPCC seems like a political tool at this point.

But everyone will have to agree to disagree.  There will be no consensus on this.  For those worried about global warming, feel free to cut back on your energy use.  Don&#039;t let me stop you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The IPCC seems like a political tool at this point.</p>
<p>But everyone will have to agree to disagree.  There will be no consensus on this.  For those worried about global warming, feel free to cut back on your energy use.  Don&#8217;t let me stop you.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Anthis</title>
		<link>http://globalwarming-factorfiction.com/2007/06/02/they-call-this-a-consensus/comment-page-1/#comment-164</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Anthis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 14:57:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In a recent comment on one of my &lt;a href=&quot;http://scienceblogs.com/scientificactivist/2007/06/a_credulous_media_respone_to_b.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;posts&lt;/a&gt;, you wrote &quot;In fact, in a recent study of scientists only 39% felt that carbon dioxide reductions were a priority.&quot;

First of all, the survey that you mention is from the  National Registry of Environmental Professionals, which is not an organization of climate scientists or even environmental scientists.  Regardless, if we look at the results of their survey (found &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nrep.org/globsurv.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;), it&#039;s a little different than you let on.  For example, &quot;59 percent respond that current climactic activity exceeding norms calibrated by over 100 years of weather data collection can be, in large part, attributed to human activity.&quot;  Also, &quot;58 percent of those practitioners surveyed think the U.S. is in a position to begin taking concrete public policy steps that have a good chance of slowing the negative effects of global warming.  67 percent report they think the U.S. Government is NOT doing enough to address the effects of global warming.&quot;  And, &quot;53 percent of professionals polled consider international agreements, such as the Kyoto Protocol, provide a solid framework from which large volume energy producing countries like the U.S. can play a positive role in combating the effects of global climate change.&quot;

Most importantly, though, this 39% number you give is complete and total bullshit.  The question was &quot;Which human activity would you say should be regulated the most to generate an effective public policy response to global warming?&quot;  38.6% of respondents answered &quot;carbon emissions as a whole.&quot;  The remaining 61.4% gave a variety of other answers, including &quot;energy production&quot;, &quot;modes of transportation&quot;, &quot;deforestation&quot;, &quot;ocean pollution&quot;, and &quot;air pollution&quot;.  This in no way implies that &quot;only 39% [of scientists] felt that carbon dioxide reductions were a priority.&quot;  Did you even look at the survey?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In a recent comment on one of my <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/scientificactivist/2007/06/a_credulous_media_respone_to_b.php" rel="nofollow">posts</a>, you wrote &#8220;In fact, in a recent study of scientists only 39% felt that carbon dioxide reductions were a priority.&#8221;</p>
<p>First of all, the survey that you mention is from the  National Registry of Environmental Professionals, which is not an organization of climate scientists or even environmental scientists.  Regardless, if we look at the results of their survey (found <a href="http://www.nrep.org/globsurv.htm" rel="nofollow">here</a>), it&#8217;s a little different than you let on.  For example, &#8220;59 percent respond that current climactic activity exceeding norms calibrated by over 100 years of weather data collection can be, in large part, attributed to human activity.&#8221;  Also, &#8220;58 percent of those practitioners surveyed think the U.S. is in a position to begin taking concrete public policy steps that have a good chance of slowing the negative effects of global warming.  67 percent report they think the U.S. Government is NOT doing enough to address the effects of global warming.&#8221;  And, &#8220;53 percent of professionals polled consider international agreements, such as the Kyoto Protocol, provide a solid framework from which large volume energy producing countries like the U.S. can play a positive role in combating the effects of global climate change.&#8221;</p>
<p>Most importantly, though, this 39% number you give is complete and total bullshit.  The question was &#8220;Which human activity would you say should be regulated the most to generate an effective public policy response to global warming?&#8221;  38.6% of respondents answered &#8220;carbon emissions as a whole.&#8221;  The remaining 61.4% gave a variety of other answers, including &#8220;energy production&#8221;, &#8220;modes of transportation&#8221;, &#8220;deforestation&#8221;, &#8220;ocean pollution&#8221;, and &#8220;air pollution&#8221;.  This in no way implies that &#8220;only 39% [of scientists] felt that carbon dioxide reductions were a priority.&#8221;  Did you even look at the survey?</p>
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		<title>By: Bolo</title>
		<link>http://globalwarming-factorfiction.com/2007/06/02/they-call-this-a-consensus/comment-page-1/#comment-162</link>
		<dc:creator>Bolo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jun 2007 19:28:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Even a Greenpeace poll showed 47% of climatologists didn’t think a runaway greenhouse effect was imminent; only 36% thought it possible and a mere 13% thought it probable.&quot;

Does the author of this piece know that there is a huge difference between &quot;global warming/climate change&quot; and a &quot;runaway greenhouse effect?&quot;  The former means that climate patterns shift, with a probably increase in the global mean temperature.  The latter means that Earth becomes like Venus.

Gigantic difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Even a Greenpeace poll showed 47% of climatologists didn’t think a runaway greenhouse effect was imminent; only 36% thought it possible and a mere 13% thought it probable.&#8221;</p>
<p>Does the author of this piece know that there is a huge difference between &#8220;global warming/climate change&#8221; and a &#8220;runaway greenhouse effect?&#8221;  The former means that climate patterns shift, with a probably increase in the global mean temperature.  The latter means that Earth becomes like Venus.</p>
<p>Gigantic difference.</p>
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